Condoleeza Rice and torture
She makes this Nixon-like quote at around the 5:30 mark: “By definition, if it was authorized by the president, it did not violate our obligations under the Conventions Against Torture.”
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She makes this Nixon-like quote at around the 5:30 mark: “By definition, if it was authorized by the president, it did not violate our obligations under the Conventions Against Torture.”
Nice.
The treaty that Reagan was talking about has this to say:The United States participated actively and effectively in the negotiation of the Convention. It marks a significant step in the development during this century of international measures against torture and other inhuman treatment or punishment. Ratification of the Convention by the United States will clearly express United States opposition to torture, an abhorrent practice unfortunately still prevalent in the world today.
The core provisions of the Convention establish a regime for international cooperation in the criminal prosecution of torturers relying on so-called "universal jurisdiction." Each State Party is required either to prosecute torturers who are found in its territory or to extradite them to other countries for prosecution.
No exceptional circumstances whatsoever, whether a state of war or a threat or war, internal political instability or any other public emergency, may be invoked as a justification of torture. . . Each State Party shall ensure that all acts of torture are offences under its criminal law.
The so-called “enhanced interrogation techniques” exposed in the torture memos include keeping detainees awake for up to 11 straight days, dousing them with cold water and placing them naked in a cell kept near 50 degrees. One prisoner -- Khalid Sheikh Mohammed -- was waterboarded 183 times in a month. Do you believe that a country - or a president - can afford to look at shocking evidence of illegal torture and simply look away?Think about that: our government waterboarded a man--poured water over his face to give him the feeling of being drowned--ONE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY THREE TIMES in one month. What would you tell your interrogators if you were in his position?
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Five years after the Abu Ghraib revelations, we must acknowledge that our government methodically authorized torture and lied about it. But we also must contemplate the possibility that it did so not just out of a sincere, if criminally misguided, desire to “protect” us but also to promote an unnecessary and catastrophic war. Instead of saving us from “another 9/11,” torture was a tool in the campaign to falsify and exploit 9/11 so that fearful Americans would be bamboozled into a mission that had nothing to do with Al Qaeda. The lying about Iraq remains the original sin from which flows much of the Bush White House’s illegality.Read his full column here.
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And if you think we need to know more about what was done in our name, you can sign an ACLU petition here asking Attorney General Eric Holder to appoint an independent prosecutor to investigate whether actions were taken that violate U.S. laws against torture.
The full story is in today's Washington Post.When CIA officials subjected their first high-value captive, Abu Zubaida, to waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods, they were convinced that they had in their custody an al-Qaeda leader who knew details of operations yet to be unleashed, and they were facing increasing pressure from the White House to get those secrets out of him.
The methods succeeded in breaking him, and the stories he told of al-Qaeda terrorism plots sent CIA officers around the globe chasing leads.
In the end, though, not a single significant plot was foiled as a result of Abu Zubaida's tortured confessions, according to former senior government officials who closely followed the interrogations. Nearly all of the leads attained through the harsh measures quickly evaporated, while most of the useful information from Abu Zubaida -- chiefly names of al-Qaeda members and associates -- was obtained before waterboarding was introduced, they said.
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Unfortunately, the evidence at the time of his testimony didn't support his version of the facts, and subsequent research further undercut Rumsfeld.The new Senate report also discloses that on Sept. 18, 2002, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told the House Armed Services Committee that Saddam's weapons of mass destruction facilities could not be eliminated by simple aerial bombing because "a good many are underground and deeply buried" and therefore "not … vulnerable to attack from the air."
In fact, the Senate report found, there was no intelligence-community reporting to support Rumsfeld's assertion. An August 2002 DIA report on the subject stated flatly that "no biological weapons (BW)-related underground facilities are currently confirmed to be in use in Iraq."Even more damning: a key source for Bush's argument that Saddam had aided al-Qaeda was an operative named Ibn al-Shaykh al-Libi. The intelligence community, however, had strong doubts about al-Libi's "forthrightness and truthfulness." And it turns out that his statements about al-Qaeda were only made after he was tortured, further proof of why torture is not only immoral but also pointless:In a disclosure that one Intelligence Committee member, Democratic Sen. Ron Wyden, called "stunning," the Senate panel found Rumsfeld commissioned the National Intelligence Council to prepare a secret special assessment on the underground-facilities issue. The council's conclusion in November 2002 ran directly counter to Rumsfeld's testimony to Congress: it found that "all the military and regime associated UGFs [underground facilities] we have identified thus far are vulnerable to conventional, precision-guided penetrating munitions because they are not deeply buried."
... Al-Libi only made his claims about Saddam's training for Al Qaeda after the CIA rendered him to a foreign intelligence service (later identified by Tenet as Egypt), where he was allegedly subjected to brutal interrogation. According to al-Libi, he was locked in a tiny box less than 20 inches high and held for 17 hours--an interrogation technique known as a "mock burial," which was considered even by some of the most aggressive Bush administration lawyers as illegal under U.S. and international laws banning torture. After being let out, al-Libi claimed, he was thrown to the floor and punched for 15 minutes. According to CIA operational cables, only then did he tell his "fabricated" story about Al Qaeda members being dispatched to Iraq.Do you believe Al Gore had the same kind of axe to grind with Saddam that led George W. Bush to so deliberately engage in the deception of the American people?
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The high-level discussions about these "enhanced interrogation techniques" were so detailed, these sources said, some of the interrogation sessions were almost choreographed -- down to the number of times CIA agents could use a specific tactic. The advisers were members of the National Security Council's Principals Committee, a select group of senior officials who met frequently to advise President Bush on issues of national security policy.The Bush administration's denials on the use of torture are just so many lies.At the time, the Principals Committee included Vice President Cheney, former National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Secretary of State Colin Powell, as well as CIA Director George Tenet and Attorney General John Ashcroft.
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Notice what the Zubaydah case tells us about the key argument of torture advocates like Charles Krauthammer: that torture should only be used when we already know that someone has actionable information on an imminent catastrophic threat. We're five years into the Bush torture regime and despite hundreds - and possibly thousands - of torture sessions, this was never, ever the case. Charles' abstract argument has been rendered completely moot by the evidence of the past five years. The United States made the decision to torture Zubaydah after he had already given helpful information - solely because they suspected he had more - and not in response to any knowledge of any imminent, catastrophic threat. In the beginning - not even in the end - torture became its own rationale, creating a need for torturers to justify their war crimes by finding more information through more torture, and unleashing the sadism and evil that exists in every human heart - even the most trained and professional. And then the war crimes created a need to destroy the evidence of war crimes and so the criminality of the government deepened, cloaked in the secrecy of national security. and now we are caught between an acceptance that the president is a war criminal and the necessity to keep fighting a vital war.
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I wholeheartedly agree.Waterboarding will give you a confession, but it won't always get you the truth.
I'm not going to condone a practice that we used as the rationale for prosecuting the Japanese for war crimes in World War II.
I maintain my belief that it is harmful to America's national security because it damages our image so badly and we lose the ideological struggle, which is based on the moral high ground.
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